About Scrapbox private to public transfer
summary
In my situation, I'd rather go from public to private.
Undecided if it needs to be transferred.
I want a bot that reads recently updated articles in public, finds keywords, and tells me which articles in private (and other warehouses) contain those keywords.
relevance
nisbot.iconWhat would you like to see happen in this conversation?
nishio.iconI hope the idea of private to public transfer in Scrapbox develops.
nisbot.iconWhat kind of "Scrapbox" is this "Scrapbox"?
nishio.iconListen first.
nisbot.iconYes, sir.
nishio.iconBecause we have been using the system for a long time with the private and public separated, we now have 300 pages of private and 8,000 pages of public.
nisbot.icon「private」
nishio.iconPrivate has become a place for fragmented notes that can't be made public, and it doesn't feel like it promotes intellectual production anymore.
nisbot.icon「private」
nishio.iconI think the design of transferring a page with a specific tag from private to public assumes that it will be primarily active in private.
nisbot.icon「private」
nishio.iconSo introducing it into my current environment would not be very effective.
nisbot.icon「private」
nishio.iconthe end
nisbot.iconWhat would you like to see happen in this conversation?
nishio.iconI hope to discover a configuration where private to public transfers or similar techniques will have a beneficial effect on me.
nisbot.iconWhat kind of "PRIVATE" is that "PRIVATE"?
nishio.iconA place where you can write about things that you can't disclose to the public without hesitation.
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I hope you can find a configuration where private to public transfers or similar > techniques will have a beneficial effect on me.
Is there anything else about this "PRIVATE"?
nishio.iconWhat I can't write about, even though I write a lot on public, is information that is other people's copyrighted material, trade secrets, or information that will damage others by writing about it, etc.
nisbot.iconWhat is it that you value?
nishio.iconIt is good when unexpected connections occur, but the fragmentation makes it difficult for such private information to be connected, and I want to solve this problem.
nisbot.iconWhere is this "PRIVATE"?
nishio.iconIt is farther away than PUBLIC in my subjective view now. It should be closer to my center.
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It is good when unexpected connections occur, but the fragmentation makes it difficult for such private information to be connected, and I want to solve this.
Where does this "PRIVATE" come from?
nishio.iconPublic information comes from public sources, and there is information that comes from within you that you are willing to make public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
nisbot.iconHow do you know its "PRIVATE"?
nishio.iconThere are non-public sources. Then there are publicly available sources that can be problematic if reprinted in their entirety. (The contents of a book, for example, should be put in Scrapbox to promote intellectual production, but copyright issues prevent us from writing until it is in a form that is appropriate for quotation.
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Public information comes from public sources, and some information comes from within me and I am willing to make it public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
What do you hope will happen regarding this "private"?
nishio.iconRight now it's a bunch of dead notes, it needs to become a fish tank for live fish.
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Public information comes from public sources, and some information comes from within me and I am willing to make it public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
Where is this "PRIVATE"?
nishio.iconMaybe we should build a new one in a different location than the current un-crowded memo storage project?
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Public information comes from public sources, and some information comes from within me and I am willing to make it public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
What does this "PRIVATE" look like?
nishio.iconRight now it is dead. It needs to be a place where it is busy, where page interaction occurs and new things are created.
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Public information comes from public sources, and some information comes from within me and I am willing to make it public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
What kind of "public" is this "public"?
nishio.iconI want information that I am willing to make public to be made public as soon as possible, and I mention it on social networking sites, etc. Writing it in private and having a bot publish it at the appropriate time does not satisfy this need.
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Public information comes from public sources, and some information comes from within me and I am willing to make it public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
Is there anything else about this "PUBLIC"?
nishio.iconThere are already a few people besides me searching my Scrapbox for ideas. Oh, but since it's Japanese-only, I have an idea that it would be good to automatically translate it into English. I don't know why I haven't done that... because I don't really feel I get any value out of it.
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Public information comes from public sources, and some information comes from within me and I am willing to make it public. It's a waste that it doesn't go into the intellectual production promotion system.
How do you know this "PUBLIC"?
nishio.iconEven before Scrapbox, I've been publishing a lot of technical trial-and-error and notes when thinking about things, so I'm very familiar with it, and it's always open in several tabs.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between that "Scrapbox" and "private"?
nishio.iconWasn't there once a page limit only for PUBLIC? Now private is fine for non-commercial use.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between its "public" and "private"?
nishio.iconI know it's now a fragmented and unrelated project, but I really think they should work closely together, like the front page and back page of Wikipedia?
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Wasn't there a page limit only for PUBLIC in the past? Now private is fine for non-commercial use.
Where is this "PUBLIC"?
nishio.iconPublic.
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Wasn't there a page limit only for PUBLIC in the past? Now private is fine for non-commercial use.
Where is this "public" located?
nishio.iconSome people Google it because it's public, and others come in from social networking sites. Some people are mentioning articles from a few years ago on social networking sites.
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Wasn't there a page limit only for PUBLIC in the past? Now private is fine for non-commercial use.
What does this "public" look like?
nishio.iconWhere social triggers flow in. When people mention it, it creates an opportunity for improvement. This is important for Scrapbox to be a fish tank.
nisbot.iconIs that "Scrapbox" the same as "private"? Is it different?
nishio.iconAnother. you should do it in PRIVATE, but after a certain amount of time, you can enjoy the additional benefits of being PUBLIC.
nisbot.iconIs that "public" the same as "private"? Are they different?
nishio.iconThey are different and have their own advantages.
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another. you should do it in PRIVATE, but after a certain amount of time, you can enjoy the additional benefits of being PUBLIC.
What do you hope will happen regarding this "public"?
nishio.iconPUBLIC needs to be available as before. We cannot wait for bots to update because of the benefits of immediate updates.
nisbot.iconWhat needs to happen to the "PUBLIC" for that to happen?
nishio.iconPUBLIC needs to be used as it has been.
nisbot.iconCan you do that with respect to "public"?
nishio.iconIt can be done. In fact, if you don't come up with something new, you'll still miss the PRIVATE.
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public must still be used as before.
Where does this "public" come from?
nishio.iconUmmm 🙁 .
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I can do it. In fact, if you don't come up with anything new, you'll still miss PRIVATE.
What happens to "public" at this "private" time?
nishio.iconWhen the private is crowded, the public is also crowded after the fact.
nisbot.iconWhat happens to "private" when its "public"?
nishio.iconI wonder if a human could update the public immediately and the bot could reprint it in the private, but I'd have to be careful about overwriting it.
nisbot.iconWhat is the difference between its "public" and "private"?
nishio.iconThe bot will relay the information. There is room here for a smarter mechanism than just copying.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between that "bot" and "private"?
nishio.iconBots are not human, so they can show information that others cannot.
nisbot.iconIs that "bot" the same as "private"? Is it different?
nishio.iconNo, sir.
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Where social triggers flow in. When people mention it, it creates an opportunity for improvement. This is important for Scrapbox to be a fish tank.
Is there anything else you can tell us about this "Scrapbox"?
nishio.iconThe other thing about Scrapbox as being a fish tank ... the fish need to move around and interact. Not sink to the bottom in a state of suspended animation. A well-linked and nurtured Scrapbox will support this by connecting links and suggesting them in ambiguous searches.
nisbot.iconWhat happens to "private" when its "Scrapbox"?
nishio.iconNow private is sinking, and we need to float the sinking private by writing things in public.
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The other thing about Scrapbox as being a fish tank ... the fish need to move around and interact. Not sink to the bottom in a state of suspended animation. A well-linked and nurtured Scrapbox will support this by linking and suggesting in obscure searches.
Where is this "Scrapbox" located?
nishio.iconWe want it to exist in a way that connects PRIVATE and PUBLIC, but right now it exists in pieces.
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The other thing about Scrapbox as being a fish tank ... the fish need to move around and interact. Not sink to the bottom in a state of suspended animation. A well-linked and nurtured Scrapbox will support this by linking and suggesting in obscure searches.
How do you know about this "Scrapbox"?
nishio.iconHow do we know that the private and public links are connected, Scrapbox can't know that now, so we need a way to assist there. The bot could read the recently updated public article and tell us the private article that might be connected to it.
nisbot.iconWhat is between that "Scrapbox" and "private"?
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